This should have been done instead of the 17 HMR, which IMHO is an over rated round that is being used by some hunters to attempt to take game it was never intended for. Unsurprisingly it carries a lot more energy to the tune of 521 ft/lbs which is near double the Fireball and the 17 Rem at this distance. What one will do so will the other with the edge going to the 204. If I can't reload for it I would loose a lot of fun time spend in my own little world. The small bore fouls easily, and you can see accuracy degrade in as little as ten shots in certain rifles, but they are a death ray on varmints and predators. Loaded ammo as well as 17 Fireball brass has sold extremely well and is in short supply. [Editor’s Note: So far, the new standardized 17 Rem Fireball appears to be a big hit. The Remington model 700 is one of the iconic American bolt action rifles. Get the American Hunter Insider newsletter for at-a-glance access to industry news, gear, gun reviews, videos and more—delivered directly to your Inbox. Likewise, only a few models exist for Hornady's new .17 Hornet, and rare too are rifles currently chambered in the uncommon but long-lived .17 Remington. The .17 Hornet, also known as the .17 Ackley Hornet, is a .17 caliber centerfire rifle wildcat cartridge originally made by P.O. If you’re getting into the sensational seventeens or been shooting them for years, this manual could help the beginner or even the experienced reloader. Ballistics Results .17 Hornet (20-gr. The brass holds up much better than old 22 Hornet brass also. which one is the better cartridge? The .17 Remington is based on the .223 Remington or the .222 Remington Magnum, depending on which account you read, though looking at the design, the .222 Remington Magnum makes more sense to me. It takes 24 plus gr of powder to do this though. Mag. I am really thinking CZ Varmint in 204 with the hope that CZ make a rifle in 17 Hornet in the future. Aptly named the 17 Remington Fireball, it is their version of our most popular 17 caliber wildcat with minor changes from the original design in some areas. I see no point in getting a K Hornet or Hornet … It is laser beam flat shooting. as the 22 Hornet (uses the existing action). Looking for previous installments of our "Head to Head" series? The 17 Hornet uses about half the weight of powder than the Fireball so the Hornet has a higher ft/sec per grain of powder ratio. At these velocities, the bullets are subjected to all sorts of stresses upon impact, and I’ve seen some over-zealous handloads strip the jacket from the core of the bullets. That is pretty flat! Famed gunsmith and cartridge developer P.O. Between the two, I find the .17 Hornet to be the more efficient, affordable and sensible choice. I do have a 22-250 that I love but I want something smaller. The 17 Remington Fireball, based on the classic .221 Remington Fireball case, is an extremely well balanced cartridge that provides laser-flat trajectory, with match grade accuracy, all in a compact package that does not require excessive maintenance and won’t burn out barrels. The .17 Remington Fireball was created in 2007 by Remington Arms Company as a response to the popular wildcat round, the .17 Mach IV.Factory loads drive a 20 grain (1.3 g) bullet around 4,000 ft/s (1,219 m/s). So Remington now has a newer cartridge out, the 17 Fireball, which is just like the older 17 Mach IV wildcat. 115 SW Columbia St | Bend, Oregon, USA 97702  |  Toll Free: Nosler Showroom / Open to the Public:  Monday - Friday 10:00 am to 5:30 pm PST, http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/gun-sh ... st-rimfire, http://www.petersenshunting.com/2013/01 ... er-magnum/. I have used the 17 HM2, 17 HMR, 17 Fireball, 17 Rem, 204 Ruger , 22 Hornet, 221 Fireball, 222 Rem. This one is the BDL version chambered for 17 Remington centerfire. Yep, like Strut mentioned, the centerfire .17 cartridges are a different class than the rimfire versions. I enjoy reloading and as of now shoot my 17HMR about 10 times a year due to ammo prices and the fact that it is not that accurate. I’m betting the .17 Hornet will hang in there, however, because it has a ready-made home as any gun chambered for the .22 Hornet can also be chambered for the .17. Trajectory comparable to a traditional 55 gr 223 Rem, but the felt recoil of a 22 WMR. Since getting the 221 Fireball the old 22 Hornet stays at home. I also have a 17 Remington with a 24 inch barrel and shoots 25 gr bullets at 4000 fps but longest shot is 416 yards. (805) 639-9222 elliots2007@gmail.com. Owning a .17-caliber rifle comes with its own set of challenges (a specialty cleaning rod must be ordered, and it’s very easy to wedge a patch in the bore), but among the centerfire choices, including the .17 Fireball, I like the .17 Hornet. I think the FB is off the list for now. The latest of the SAAMI standardized centerfire .17's is the .17 Hornet, designed and introduced by Hornady. Both are important issues to high-volume shooters such as varmint hunters With the higher velocity of the bullets fired from the Fireball it has a flatter trajectory curve. I use this collect die for my 22 hornet and have yet to retrim a single case. i called remington technicians the other day and they said the 17 My brain says go 204 then 17 Hornet next year then I think just get a 17 Rem and forget about the 204 and Hornet. I can't comment on the Hornet or FB but have had a .17Rem since the late 70's/early 80's, the thing is a little gem of a rifle to shoot and very accurate. I have access to a Mach IV reamer, and I was thinking of building one, but now that there is a factory version out, I need to know if the two cartridges are identical. I still don't know. This round is based on the .221 Remington Fireball case, and is simply necked down to .17 and loaded. Mag.• .243 Winchester vs. 6mm Remington• 7x57mm Mauser vs. 7mm-08 Remington• .25-06 Remington vs. .257 Weatherby Magnum• .338 Winchester vs. .375 H&H Magnum• .30-30 Winchester vs. .35 Remington• .257 Roberts vs. .250-3000 Savage• .270 Winchester vs. .280 Remington• .35 Whelen vs. 9.3x62mm Mauser• .416 Rigby vs. .416 Remington Magnum• .308 Winchester vs. .30-06 Springfield• .22 Nosler vs. .224 Valkyrie• .300 Win. We've got you covered.• 7mm RUM vs. .300 RUM• .308 Winchester vs. 7mm-08 Remington• 6.5 Creedmoor vs. .260 Remington• .303 British vs. 8x57 Mauser• .30-06 Springfield vs. All Other .30s• .17 HMR vs. .17 WSM• .450 Nitro Express vs. .470 Nitro Express• 350 Legend vs. .35 Remington• .280 Ackley Improved vs. 7mm Rem. The introduction of the .17 HMR in 2002 rekindled the flame which was started by the .17 Remington in 1971. The other top-sellers are the .17 Mach IV, .17 Rem., .17 Fireball and Hornady’s .17 Hornet. Extremely accurate. Ackley in the early 1950s. The .17 Hornet, son of the classic .22 Hornet that our grandfathers delighted in shooting, is a well-balanced design. We were picking off. I’ve used it for foxes and coyotes here in the northeast, and it’s proven itself on a hot prairie dog town. Mag. What are you thinking for use WT? Mag.• .404 Jeffery vs. .416 Rigby• .243 Winchester vs. 6mm Creedmoor• .300 PRC vs. .300 Win. I could have matching rifles then. Until I place the order my mind will never settle on one. Friday, December 20, 2019. Looks as if I am leaning to the 17 Remington at the moment. For the handloader the .17 Rem makes better sense due to the fact that you can download it slightly resulting in longer brass life and still have a round with the same power that the .17 FB has. The 17 Fireball didn't really set the shooting world on fire, nor did the 17 Rem. Debuted in 2007, it sends 20-grain bullets over 4,000 fps, and is also available in 25-grain loadings. No matter how you launch one of the 20 or 25-grain bullets, their weight and ballistic coefficient are so low that it makes the effects of wind deflection a definite consideration. This little cartridge is small in size and cost, but big in performance. I am not sure. Mag. Many .17 Remington shooters have reported optimum accuracy when the bore is cleaned after every 10 - 20 shots, though more modern metallurgy used in both barrels and bullets has largely mitigated the fouling issue. Let’s take a look at the .17 Remington and the .17 Hornet and compare and contrast their attributes. The .17 Remington Fireball introduced a few years ago is a somewhat larger edition of the .17 Hornet, but the Fireball is less than trendy. The 17 Hornet is too limiting IMHO. Ha. If they don't come out with a 17 Hornet then I will have to figure something out. The 17 Hornet is my favorite truck, carry, gun out to 300 plus yards. Then you could use 223 brass (17 Practical as it were...I have one BTW) Plus the Hornet brass is very fragile for loading. Hornet, 17 Ackley Hornet, 17 Mach IV, 17 Fireball, 17 Remington, 17 Tactical and 17 PPC! The .17 Remington is also one of the few cartridges in which powder charge weight is often greater than bullet weight. The majority of .17-caliber loads are centered around 20- and 25-grain bullets (there are component bullets as heavy as 30 grains), and the centerfire .17 cases attain some serious velocity. The 17 Hornet should make a good coyote round out to 150 yards & fox to … ... #3091226 - 09/14/17 09:13 AM Re: Choosing between 17 Fireball, 221 Fireball and 22 Hornet [Re: greengt88] … As far as I know, Remington is the only major arms manufacturer currently producing .17 Remington and .17 Fireball rifles. But, in a good rifle, the .17 Remington can be a very accurate cartridge, and has very little recoil, though the report is on the loud side for the size of the projectile. My .204 shoots 1/2 inch groups at 100 yards and is easy to load high quality loads at 4000 fps with 32 grain bullets. The 17 Mach IV as its been known for decades which is the new .17 Fireball is very close to the .17 Rem with the lighter bullets that weigh up to 25 grains. Same C.O.L. Really like my .17Rem but if the barrel wears out I would rebarrel it with a .204, new kid on the block and just a little bit more. Maybe it is just me but I knew several people who bought .17 Rem when they came out and sold them all pretty fast becuase of leading and loading issues. I got a friend that is a coyote hunting machine and he swears by the 204. I would go 17 Fireball if I were you. The slight five-degree shoulder of the .22 Hornet was radically steepened to a 25-degree shoulder and blown-out to increase case capacity. I just picked up a summer job so I may be able to swing it in a few months. The Bill Eichelberger line of cartridges uses .10-inch, .12-inch and .14-inch diameter bullets, though they are about as rare as hen’s teeth. If you get or have a 17 Hornet get the LEE Collect Neck Die. 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Assuming a 200-yard zero for both cartridges, and using a 20-grain bullet for comparative purposes, the .17 Remington will hit about two inches higher at 300 yards than will the .17 Hornet (4.6 inches of drop for the Remington vs. 6.4 inches for the Hornet), yet in the hands of an experienced rifleman, that difference can easily be accounted for. It’s the finest all inclusive 17 manual I just need to save up. ).17 Remington Fireball (aka .17 Fireball) The .17 Remington Fireball is Remington’s version of a necked-down .221 Fireball. You won't have this problem on the FireBall to as great an extent. The new .17 Fireball boasts an advertised muzzle velocity (MV) of 4000 fps and a 300 yard … I would also go 17/223 for the chambering but it is a custom. Trying to decide on a barrel in 17 cal to put on a Savage action. I shoot .17 Fireballs in both T/C Encore and Remington 700 platforms. The .204 caliber bullets are about the smallest that I can handle easily and get in the case straight. But, within 350 yards or so, the .17 Remington makes a great varmint and predator cartridge, as the frangible bullets make very small holes in a furbearer’s pelt—and usually don’t exit—yet have enough energy and a flat enough trajectory to place shots accurately on woodchucks and prairie dogs, creating that famous red mist. 17 Remington Fireball. If all three were in front of me right now and I could pick one it would take me a year to figure it out. It's absolutely my favorite for groundhogs, fox, and even coyote. The case looks perfect once it is necked down and hardly changes at all after firing for the first time. What are the big differences between the 3 and would it be worth selling the 17HMR to fund a 17 center fire? I like the 17 Hornet but do not really call it my coyote gun but would use it if under 100 yds. I really like that little 17 Fireball, but then again, they could all be pretty awesome. The Fireball fired the 25 grain bullet out at 3,850 ft/sec. When developing its version of the .17 Hornet, Hornady shortened the .22 Hornet case about 0.050 inch to make overall cartridge length compatible with the magazines of existing rifles in .22 Hornet. With a 23-degree shoulder and a case length of 1.796 inches—the .223 Remington uses a 1.760-inch-long case—the .17 Remington often has a powder charge heavier than its bullet. Put it this way your 204 overlaps with the 17 remington. What one of the 3 center fires would you get or would you go with a 204? I still don't know. vs. .300 WSM• .223 Remington vs. .22-250 Remington, E-mail your comments/questions about this site to: EmediaHunter@nrahq.org, For questions/comments about American Hunter magazine, please e-mail:Publications@nrahq.org, You can contact the NRA via phone at: NRA Member Programs1-800-672-3888, To advertise on American Hunter, visit nramediakit.com for more information. And should you want to you can load the .17 Rem up to its full potential and leave the .17 FB in the dust. While the 17 Fireball is about 300 fps slower with all bullet weights than the 17 Remington, it is probably more popular today because it burns about 20 percent less powder with each squeeze of the trigger. The result was a small case … I have the .17 Hornet and a .223. My brain says go 204 then 17 Hornet next year then I think just get a 17 Rem and forget about the 204 and Hornet. Sotty, I am more of a smaller version, old and blind, knuckle dragger, but one none the less. I think the FB is off the list for now. The 25 Gr grain bullet from the Hornet listed at 3,283 ft/sec. New for 2007, Remington's .17 Fireball was created by necking-down the .221 Fireball case (itself based on a shortened .222 Remington case) to accept .172" diameter bullets. by Philip Massaro - but it will do everything the 17 hor I have thought about the same thing. Ackley had experimented with .172-inch diameter bullets in the early 1950s, but the release of the .17 Remington was the first commercial release of a .17 caliber centerfire – being offered in the highly successful Model 700—and if nothing more, the cartridge was all about speed. .17 Ackley Hornet. Kudos to Hornady for recognizing the potential of the design, and for bringing it to the masses. Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 7 guests, Nosler Inc  |  Privacy  Use  Order Processing. But if you really want a 17 and want to kill coyote consistently I would stick with the 17 Fireball or 17 Rem. Video That May Interest You On the other end of the stick, almost all firearm manufacturers offer rimfire rifles chambered in .17 HMR, so shooters can pick and choose. Re: .17 HMR Vs. .17 Rem Fireball?? Less fouling, barrel wear, powder and pressure compared to the 17 Rem. 17 rem vs.17 fireball hey guys, I need help fast, i have two guns on hold at my local gun shop! There are smaller bore diameters, but you’ll have to look long and hard to find them. The Hornet ammo—available from Hornady and Federal—runs between $0.70 and $0.90 per round, while the .17 Remington ammo—available from Remington and Nosler—costs about $1.70 per round. Ackley also modified the venerable .22 Hornet, necking it down to .17, but Hornady’s 2011 release of the commercialized .17 Hornet grabbed some attention. The cartridge was created by simply necking-down the .22 Hornet to .17 caliber. I just got a contender barrel chambered for this cartridge and really enjoy shooting it. 17 Rem 300 6.27” 11.36” 17 FB 300 7.51” 12.23” By comparison a 50-grain 223 Rem doing 3300 fps drops 10.93” and drifts 11.32” at 300 yards. The muzzle velocities generated by the .17 Hornet run considerably slower than the .17 Remington—3650 fps for the 20-grain load, and 3870 fps for the lighter 15.5-grain NTX load from Hornady—yet the pressures, barrel wear and fouling are also less than those associated with the larger-cased .17 Remington. Alright, I asked about making 17 Fireball from 223 brass. Home; Blog & Projects; Contact Us; Manufacturers; Showcase; Select Page The 204 is about as good as it gets for an "in between" varmint cartridge … The muzzle velocities generated by the .17 Hornet run considerably slower than the .17 Remington—3650 fps for the 20-grain load, and 3870 fps for the lighter 15.5-grain NTX load from Hornady—yet the pressures, barrel wear and fouling are also less than those associated with the larger-cased .17 Remington. Find your best price for 17 Rem Fireball Ammo | Bulk 17 Rem Fireball Ammunition - AmmoSeek.com Search Engine 2021 Lower cost and comparable quality to the 17 Fireball and 223 Rem. The 20-grain bullet can be pushed to over 4200 fps, and the 25-grain bullet breaks the 4000 fps mark, as well. vs. .300 Win. P.O. vs. .458 Lott• 7mm Rem. Sharing the rimmed design of the parent case, the .17 Hornet feeds nicely in a bolt-action repeating rifle—I spent some time with a Savage Model 25 Walking Varminter which shot very well—and will handle both varmints and predators to the same 300 to 350 yards that the .17 Remington will. If all three were in front of me right now and I could pick one it would take me a year to figure it out. Mag.• .30-06 Springfield vs. .270 Winchester• 6.5 Creedmoor vs. 7mm-08 Remington• 8x57 Mauser vs. .318 Westley Richards• .358 Winchester vs. .350 Remington Magnum• .22-250 Remington vs. .220 Swift• .270 Winchester vs. .270 WSM• .26 Nosler vs. 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum• .458 Win. 22 Hornets have been around forever, and maybe the brass is more available? Its very accurate and totally destroys gophers on out to 400 yards pretty easily. When carefully prepared handloads are fired in good barrels, accuracy of the two cartridges is the same. I have the savage 17 hornet and I love it, Shot it yesterday for the first time. It seems like a lot of work, so how about the 17 Remington from 223 brass using both commercial or military brass. I like the Hornet a lot but for practical handling and varmit blasting, the .204 s hard to beat with its .222 Mag case and .204 bore which is much easier to clean and manage than the .177. one is a 17 remington, the other is a 17 fireball. I think some cases have been reloaded five times with no change on Over all Case Length. 223 Rem, and other cartridge rifle for shooting prairie dogs. You will find the smallest commercial cartridges available are the .17-inch bores, and while they’ve been around exactly as long as I have, the shooting public seems to have an on-again-off-again relationship with the .17s. I've never been that interested in a centerfire 17, but I have a .204 Ruger that I shoot a lot. Pretty cool write up on the 17 Winchester Super Magnum... Good read but I want center fire.

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