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. I would love to see a presentation about different stropping media compared at the same micron levels to compare results under magnification. My mirror polishing is mostly done with diamond paste on cardboard from a cereal box. For me I have not invested into the diamond films. With these cookies we and third parties will be able to follow your behaviour on our website. As such we can offer you ads and content you might be interested in. Sometimes you need to reduce the the edge width, or remove a micro foil, or even think of it like creating a double bevel although convex. and find that it usually only improves the edge. The Jende Acrylic Lapping Film Blanks for the KME are 1"x4" and 1/4" thick. Over time, I found that stropping would improve my edge… and I didn’t have to use “light pressure” to get good results. I canât say for sure since I donât own that stone set. Stones are more effective then strops: they don’t wear (at least no that that don’x exposive abrasive material anamore), so you need much more of them for the same effect. ). Didn't feel the need for the films. These lapping films are meant to be used on the KME Precision Knife Sharpening System, Diamond Stone Kit or theKME Precision Knife Sharpening System, R.P.S.H. I use a strop for that purpose, too: https://moleculepolishing.wordpress.com/2012/03/24/creating-a-convex-edge-using-the-wicked-edge-conclusions/. Anyway, I am looking at my dulling incident as the mother of necessity because it forced me to do research on how to get my edge back on my blade by the most inexpensive and easiest way possible. As such we can offer you ads and content you might be interested in. I am new to the wicked edge and just learning myself. Thanks to all for your input. Jende Industries, thank you for your insight! First… don’t be afraid of pressure. This gets my edge quite sharp, but I'd love to take it to the next level. If anyone has the tools and time to accomplish this, it would be very informative and helpful. I'm considering getting a strop attachment for the KME. That said, the edge finish produced by the 1500 vs. the 1200 / 1600 combination may well be different from one another. With the KME Diamond Lapping Film Box Set you purchase everything you need to make your knife shine like never before. Belgian Sharpening. My favorite tool for getting mirror polished edges is free hand on one of my spyderco ultra fine stones. I fully expect a sheet of film to easily last me four or more years, and really don't see any benefit (for me) in going to the effort and expense of putting together the pasted balsa strops. KME Sharpeners. http://shrsl.com/rgto^^All things KME at bladehq (thanks for using our links! I am guessing that the diamond films will replace my cereal box strop in due time. In fact, there is no other abrasive we have tested that produces swarf as fast as lapping film at these grit levels. Maybe new leather will require a 1 deg. And the solution given… use as little pressure as possible. Grits from 1200 to 50,000 available. Their thinness gives them less compression and more perfection, and the diamond films will cut through all materials. With these cookies we and third parties will be able to follow your behaviour on our website. Address: PO Box 3802 Rouse Hill, NSW 2155 Australia Email:russ@jendeindustries.com.au Phone Number: :0431592795. website Managed by : Infoconic Technologies Below is an excellent blog with pictures of razor blade edges from an electron microscope. Lapping film is one of the newest and most exciting methods for ultra fine sharpening of knives and tools. Is it personal preference? When the topic goes to stropping and angles I always remember back when I was a kid and the barber would strop his straight razor on a tightly horizontally held leather belt strop, slapping it down then pulling it across, turning the straight razor over, slapping it back down and dragging it back the other way as the belt deflected and wrapped up around the razor. Razor Edge. I would find, as many do, that the strop seemed to “kill” the edge… often described as “rounding”, no longer has bite, etc. Enjoy the journey. I, like you, enjoy this hobby for its artistic nature and the available options to achieve different results. Deals & Discounts. For me, doing this seemed to either still “kill” the edge, or result in no improvement… to the point where I didn’t bother. I usually use stropping films all the way and only one strop (very fine) at the end. You must be logged in to reply to this topic. This set is meant to be used in the Sharpening stone holder of the KME Precision Knife Sharpening System, Diamond Stone Kit of the KME Precision Knife Sharpening System, R.P.S.H. Now, my strops are pretty old, and somewhat stiff (like my joints), so that plays into it I’m sure (I’ll spritz them with alcohol which over time also stiffens them up)… but like I said, I was stropping pretty hard, and detected no convex… none that I could tell anyway. KME Diamond Lapping Films, 3 micron: Knivesandtools.ie uses cookies and similar techniques to make sure we can help you even better. Knivesandtools uses cookies and similar techniques to make sure we can help you even better. Arkansas Water Stones. With the precision of the WEPS, you get a more perfect triangle tip, which is thinner as the edge approaches that zero width. In operation since 1998, BladeForums.com has led the industry since Day 1. PSA-backed lapping film is extremely easy to use. This is a copy and paste of the best answer I found when I was looking too, not that long ago. Knives. So I think the application and end results determine which tool is your best option. At the finishing stages, you’ll only need 2-5 strokes on clean strops to align the edge. The leather is trimmed flush and each edge of the leather is beveled to prevent the edges and corners from catching or lifting. KME Diamond Lapping Films, 3 micron: Knivesandtools uses cookies and similar techniques to make sure we can help you even better. If lapping film doesn’t have the danger of rounding the edge and is available down to 0.10 micron, why use strops? They are also lightweight and make an excellent platform for whatever films or strops you may want to add yourself. tests? But in the end, it’s as Molon stated, that the beauty is in the choices available. You can even stop at a coarser grit like 1000 maybe, strop it and have a polished toothy edge. JendeIndustries.com.au - We offer superior sharpening systems: Jende JIGS for Knives, Edge Pro (EP), KME Sharpener, Hapstone Sharpener, and Wicked Edge Precision Sharpener (WEPS).. With these cookies we and third parties will be able to follow your behaviour on our website. 5 mm thick aluminum bar for lapping films Best to use with PSA-backed lapping film Compatible with KME and Hapstone Custom made by Gritomatic Working surface 102 x 25 mm (6" x 1") ⺠⦠Then I remarked the blade with the Sharpie, and checked the edge with a stone… and the marker was removed along the entire bevel width in one stroke… and no convex detected under my handheld scope. The KME Diamond Lapping Film set with glass base, 9 micron is a set of five lapping films including a glass sheet for in the Sharpening stone holder of the KME Precision Knife Sharpening System, Diamond Stone Kit or theKME Precision Knife Sharpening System, R.P.S.H. Available in: 9 micron - 1,800 grit 6 micron - 3,000 grit 3 micron - 6,000 grit I donât think there is an advantage to using the 6 micron lapping film between the 1500 grit diamond stone and the 1.4 micron side of the micro fine ceramic. M1rror Edge Sharpening Service, LLC ... How to Use Lapping Film for Sharpening. With these cookies we and third parties will be able to follow your behaviour on our website. Edge Pro Sharpener. They provide a cleaner and faster alternative to diamond slurries or strops. These diamond lapping films are excellent for refining your edges to an incredible level of both sharpness and polish. The flexibility of the strop leather is what allows this to work so well. Now, I can hold off buying lapping films, marble or plexiglass sheets, pastes, balsa strops or purchasing Norton 4000/8000 combo if I wanted to go the wet stone method. But after watching numerous videos of people stropping, often with significant pressure and getting good results (Clay for example, use to report stropping with enough pressure he would start to lift the base)… I knew I was missing something. Wicked Edge Precision Knife Sharpener © All rights reserved. Molecule Polishing: my blog about sharpening with the Wicked Edge. JendeIndustries.com.au - We offer superior sharpening systems: Jende JIGS for Knives, Edge Pro (EP), KME Sharpener, Hapstone Sharpener, and Wicked Edge Precision Sharpener (WEPS).. This set of five lapping films is the finest lapping film KME has to offer. Strops give more, and lend themselves to finishing or tweaking more than films, IMO. )… I would take what I thought was a sharp edge, and strop it. As you get more time in on your WEPS, you will hopefully start diving down the rabbit hole head first into all the accessories so that you can challenge yourself and see what the different options yield. They are used to affix the Jende Diamond Films for the KME, either with or without PSA backing. I see gritomatic has balsa, kangaroo, and glass blanks with lapping film. decrease in angle… but strops I’ve found are more forgiving than most assume… especially given the proper edge and compound to begin with. ⦠Basically, I place multiple facets on the blade and then blend them together to form a near perfect convex with a strop and diamond paste. My troubles with leather strops have mostly been its usage in the chase for scratchless mirror while keeping a single flat facet on the bevel. With these cookies we and third parties will be able to follow your behaviour on our website. KME Diamond Lapping Films, 0.1 micron: Knivesandtools.ie uses cookies and similar techniques to make sure we can help you even better. So little convex is created… it essentially doesn’t matter. HHT stands for Hanging Hair Test, its pretty controversial but here is the gist of it. Also, nothing wrong with using alternative media, as some have written…. 3M Lapping Film gives you unmatched consistency for sharpening at very fine grit levels. With these cookies we and third parties will be able to follow your behaviour on our website. Lapping films are generally going to be more aggressive than strops. I currently have the diamond stones + the spyderco ceramic stone. Thank you. From my experience I think the diamond films would be a great tool for mirror polishing the bevel. KME Lapping Film blanks Designed to suit the KME sharpening system, The KME lapping film blanks provide the base for mounting the various micron lapping... View full product details Add to Cart With these cookies we and third parties will be able to follow your behaviour on our website. The set is comprised of five individual lapping films, plus a glass sheet that serves as a base for the lapping films. +1(682)777-1622, Yeah, I forgot that. It seems that the change in angle would impact the shape of the edge bevel the most. Slips & Specialty. if you are going with loaded strops, then you will need to experiment to see which works best for the way you manipulate the paddles, with pressure being the biggest influence on compression and rounding of the edge. As a test this a.m. (just to make sure nothing cropped up)…. Is there a rhyme and reason for one vs. the other? The trick to leather -and all finish stropping- is a super light touch. The other thing is the convex part… (this is on the W.E.) The main question here is strop vs lapping film… When to choose one or the other. KME indicates that the 0.1 micron lapping film corresponds to 160.000 grit. These lapping films are meant to be used on the KME Precision Knife Sharpening System, Diamond Stone Kit or theKME Precision Knife Sharpening System, R.P.S.H. I switched to Venev stones on the kme and then stropped and I liked those stones better for my high carbide steel. KME Diamond Lapping Films, 0.5 micron: Knivesandtools.ie uses cookies and similar techniques to make sure we can help you even better. Don’t take my word for it… take a beater knife and a Sharpie… and test some of it out. By finishing with a strop, you can slightly convex that edge of the edge to give back some thickness and rigidity. (Mark the blade between stones and strops, so you can see what’s going on). Lapping films are generally going to be more aggressive than strops. So, occasionally I would revisit it. for example, my freehand stropping is now often done on paper. There is an overall consensus on backing of 1-2 degrees when switching over to stropping yields better results than keeping the same angle as the stones. It was very helpful. When to choose one or the other. I read everything I could and settled on the wicked edge for guided sharpening. Why? So I definitely think pressure helps and I haven’t yet made my decision on what angle it’s best to strop at relative the bevel angle. You place the whole in the sharpening stone holder of the KME Precision Knife Sharpening System, Diamond Stone Kit or the KME Precision Knife Sharpening System, ⦠I assume one could bet to a razor sharp, mirror polish edge with one or the other alone, so why both? Leather Strops/Diamond Films/Shapton glass/Chosera/ Balsa /Roo/Nanocloth/Cereal box, these are all instruments and you get to be the artist, there are so many different edges you can produce with these tools, that is the fun for me. Lapping vs stropping So I have a bunch of sharpening equipment. I am truly curious and trying to learn. KME indicates that the 0.5 micron lapping film corresponds to 60.000 grit. That be the case, is it necessary to back off 1 – 2 degrees? The combinations are endless! Chefs Choice. Please see this thread here in Tech Support: https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/bladeforums-has-a-zero-tolerance-policy-towards-threats-of-violence-extremism-be-warned.1769537/, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. Rich Participant Topics: 2 Replies: 9 The main question here is strop vs lapping film… When to choose one or the other. Didn't really try much else with those stones on the kme tbo. Anyway… my .02. We request your assistance dealing with this as we do not want to see the site shut down due to violent threats. BladeForums has ZERO TOLERANCE for extremism or calls of violence. Combo Kit.The glass sheet serves as a base for the lapping films. Their thinness gives them less compression and more perfection, and the diamond films will cut through all materials. KME Diamond Lapping Films, 9 micron: Knivesandtools.ie uses cookies and similar techniques to make sure we can help you even better. They also have a ⦠Recent › Forums › Main Forum › Techniques and Sharpening Strategies › Strop vs Lapping Film. Good question. KME diamond lapping films are an economical way to achieve true mirror polishes on your bevels or to just take your blades sharpness to the next level. I picked up the KME lapping film kit and all I can say is WoW! Since the release of the WE Lapping Films, I only use the strops for “convexing” edges or making a “convexed bevel”. The KME Diamond Lapping Film, 9 micron are five individual lapping films to polish your edge. (And I got a very sharp knife). I finally received my strops, cow leather to start, and am anxious to try them out. Simply peel off the paper backing and press it down on the blank Wicked Edge handle. KME indicates that the 9 micron lapping film corresponds to 1800 grit. With the KME Diamond Lapping Film Set with glass base, 1 micron you polish the edge of your sharpened knife. The set is comprised of five individual lapping films. misterparker you should most definitely go to a 9 micron lapping film when you come off the 1500 to remove all of the scratch pattern from the plate the repeat the process with the CBM or finer grit tapes. I have been a bit hesitant given the commentary on dulling the edge due to rounding it off. It has become my hobby, so I am going the complicated route, great fun! 3M Lapping Film. As I think about it, if you are doing both sides at a 1 to 1 pace, the rounding should be a non issue, correct? With the KME Diamond Lapping Film, 0.1 micron you can polish your knife with an unimaginably fine grain size. 3M lapping film is carefully graded for greater cutting efficiency and mounted on a high strength polyester backing. If you already have a KME clamping jig than it really is a must have for an Easy mirror finnish. The barber seemed to apply a lot of pressure and certainly there was no attention placed on to the angle the razor made with the belt. For knives without mirror polishes, simply going through the stones and leather strops give me really sharp results. just WoW!. When I used the kme diamond stones I used the lapping films extremely lightly and then used a strop with.25 to.10 micron compound. If “perfect” mirror isn’t the main focus, then a few light strokes with the strop will make the edge a little sharper than just stones alone. Also, what is the difference between the HHT-1/2/3/4/etc. Warthog Sharpeners. Strops. I can’t really answer the question of films vs. strops (‘cause I don’t have any films)… but I wanted to comment a bit about stropping with leather. Strops give more, and lend themselves to finishing or ⦠I do think you can create a ‘faux’ convex as stated above (multi bevels, then blend it with leather), but the stones do most of the work. KME Diamond Lapping Films, 0.5 micron: Five diamond lapping films. It’s really a struggle to polish without using much pressure. Again, trial and error is the fun! You’d be surprised how easy it is to manipulate the edge of the edge. Combo Kit.. A lapping film is basically very find sandpaper. Polishing with leather tends to turn the edge into a convex one (ever so slightly). Address: PO Box 3802 Rouse Hill, NSW 2155 Australia Email:russ@jendeindustries.com.au Phone Number: :0431592795. website Managed by : Infoconic Technologies KME Kangaroo Strops KME Strops are made from premium Kangaroo leather permanently mounted on a flat aluminum plate with all 4 edges of the strop beveled. Is it steel type? With the KME Diamond Lapping Film, 0.5 micron you can make your edge shine like never before. I created a flat bevel, then stropped the crapola out of it with the 10m/5m “regular leather” strops… with some pretty significant pressure (I have a panavise attached to a granite base, and was rocking the whole thing back and forth… so… pretty significant), and at the same angle. You can also use the strops for maintenance to continually touch up the edge of the edge (through convexing) without actually reestablishing the bevels fully. Oh, and regarding the rabbit hole you referred to, I’m already deep!! I can now strop with pressure, make the occasional “greater angle” stroke, etc. Both articles are very informative and the HHT explanations is easily understood. How to Sharpen with Lapping Film. Can’t say definitively, but my best guess is… it’s because I learned to create a proper edge prior to stropping (sharp and burr free). Eddie Kinlen I think you will love the result. Viewing 15 posts - 1 through 15 (of 31 total), Wicked Edge Precision Knife Sharpener | Topic: Strop vs Lapping Film, https://moleculepolishing.wordpress.com/2012/03/24/creating-a-convex-edge-using-the-wicked-edge-conclusions/, This topic has 30 replies, 9 voices, and was last updated. Excellent write ups too on different stropping material and how they work or don’t work.Gooseneck Dovetail Angle, Just Sing Piano Chords, Boneworks Oculus Quest 2 Release Date, Example Of Reliability In Aba, Quartz Banger 4mm, Agv K1 White,